what up with tagging restrictions?

[PAcanis]

Korean should be Korean cuisine, I'll check it out. All tags are converted to lower-case to resolve humans being lazy vs humans not being lazy... else we'd end up with a tag for korean, Korean, kOrean and so on.

This is definitely outside my wheelhouse, as I have never created a tag. And if I am on other forums that auto generate them, I've never had this happen before.

For the record, that I can remember anyway, I typed "Korean Condiment" in the subject line and it did not like either word. As they were both listed in the oops message.
Are you saying that if I had typed "Korean Cuisine Condiment" it might have allowed it?
I did not see where partial words were displayed for me to choose which word was already allowed.

But I still find it odd that the word "sandwich" also appeared.
Is it because tags are generated on the first post in a thread? Like I mentioned, I've typed the word sandwich plenty of times in other threads without the forum telling me I could not make a reply using that word.

Just trying to understand how this works.

 

[PAcanis]

You used a full word search and didn't get as hit

I have no idea what this means. Word search? I wasn't searching anything. Just typing words in the subject line and the body. I did not enter anything in the Tag window and I remember it being blank.

I am so confused, lol.
Certainly on an international forum the software should recognize a word might be used (Korean) it has never seen before.

 

[Barriehie]

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I am so confused, lol.
Certainly on an international forum the software should recognize a word might be used (Korean) it has never seen before.

The software sees -lots- of words it's never seen before but unless it's in the tag list, admin moderated, it can't use it. Hence the report button to request help. Stated another way, the tag list is hard coded until an admin modifies the list.

 

[SatNavSaysStraightOn]

Just trying to understand how this works.

It's best not to over think it.

Put the title you want in. You'll learn what tags work and what don't in time.

I have no idea what this means. Word search? I wasn't searching anything. Just typing words in the subject line and the body. I did not enter anything in the Tag window and I remember it being blank.

I am so confused, lol.
Certainly on an international forum the software should recognize a word might be used (Korean) it has never seen before.

The title is used by the system to match hits to keywords for tags.

You may not realise you made a word search but you did. The tag box acts as a word search to filter through the list of valid tags.

So, type in the title you want. Check out the tags.
Very common words like potato are going to be fine. From experience you'll know that Korean or korea are not going to work. Remove them, add in Korean cuisine (or whatever is needed for the thread) and post. If you get an error, just check the tags.


The auto detect and fill in on a tag's information defaults to the wiki search result for the tag word.



And despite the fact everyone could edit it to correct an entry, no one ever did. So we needed Korean cuisine in to get the correct tag information.



No one would correct it, and we had ended up with a list of all hundred and 1 tags all meaning the same thing, so the system was tidied up and restricted.

If you stick with using partial words in the search box when you type in tags, you'll be fine.

 

[PAcanis]

The software sees -lots- of words it's never seen before but unless it's in the tag list, admin moderated, it can't use it. Hence the report button to request help. Stated another way, the tag list is hard coded until an admin modifies the list.

OK. Korean I can see.
But "condiment"? "sandwich"?
And "mayoracha" was in the oops message, but then removed when I clicked the post button several times as suggested.

And if I am not using the word as a tag, why is the tag list important?
That's the part I'm really confused about. I wasn't adding a tag, and regular members are not allowed to create tags anyway.
If the forum's software is automatically scanning my thread, why is it "hitting" on sandwich?

 

[PAcanis]

You're killing me Smalls

You may not realise you made a word search but you did. The tag box acts as a word search to filter through the list of valid tags.

If you stick with using partial words in the search box when you type in tags, you'll be fine.

I can't say it more plainly. And I think I said it three times now.
I was not using the tag box.

I was typing a thread same as my introduction thread. A title and a message.

We're obviously going in circles on this thing.
And others have had the same issue, which is why I added on to this thread.

Maybe I'll run into it again, maybe I won't.

 

[Barriehie]

This might help.

Tags

 

[PAcanis]

This might help.

Tags

Maybe.

"So I just ask that members glance at the tags after they have posted their thread and check to make sure they are relevant please."

The words the oops message listed were relevant.

"Anyone can edit the tags on any thread, so if something is incorrect please either report it or edit it."

If members can not generate their own tags, are we still allowed to edit the tags the forum chooses?
So I could have let the forum know "sandwich" was OK? Somehow?
How is that done?

And I hate to keep asking so many questions. They keep piling up because my previous questions haven't been specifically addressed.
I'm just trying to avoid the same situation from happening again.
It stinks when you can't ask a food related question on a food/cooking forum.

 

[SatNavSaysStraightOn]

Sorry, I was in a lecture. I am doing a Master Degree full-time.

I'm just trying to avoid the same situation from happening again.
It stinks when you can't ask a food related question on a food/cooking forum.

I can't say it more plainly. And I think I said it three times now.
I was not using the tag box.

I am trying to explain to you that you are using tags just without knowing it. I do not know how else to say that.

In the image below,

• The tag "food" has automatically resolved from the title and has been added because it is a 100% match to an existing tag.
• The word "sandwiches" has not been automatically matched because the tag is actually "sandwich", not sandwiches and having both messes up the tagging system.
• Manually typing in "korea" starts the process of finding all tags with "korea" and the only match is shown below. If you enter "korean", there is no match, so you get the error because the system thinks you are trying to create a new tag called "korean", which you do not have permission to do. If you type in "Kore" (or similar) and then select the "korean cuisine" tag by clicking on it, you are adding an already existing tag to the thread, which you are allowed to do. It is simply a case of learning how to use the tagging system here

A thread only needs 1 pre-existing tag to be included for it to be posted.

"Anyone can edit the tags on any thread, so if something is incorrect please either report it or edit it."

If members can not generate their own tags, are we still allowed to edit the tags the forum chooses?

You are confusing terminology here - creating a (new) tag and adding a(n existing) tag to a thread are two separate things.
Editing the list of tags on any thread still requires you to select a tag from the list of existing tags.

The problem is that you are trying to create a new tag to add to the thread, rather than adding an existing one, even if you don't realise it.

And any member can edit the (list of) tags on any thread, it does not have to be their thread, so they do not need to be the person who created the thread BUT they still have to add only pre-exisiting tags.

So I could have let the forum know "sandwich" was OK? Somehow?
How is that done?

It is done by typing the letters "sandw" into the tags search box (which is where I have typed "Korea" in above) and tapping on the relevant tag. Do not type in the entire tag. If you do, the system thinks you are trying to create a new tag, which you are not allowed to do. You are only allowed to select pre-existing tags from the list that is already available, which you access by typing a few letters into the box that serves as a search (or filter) and then selecting from the list that appears.

They keep piling up because my previous questions haven't been specifically addressed.

They have been addressed. I don't think you have fully grasped what we are trying to say.

If you follow these instructions to the letter, then it will work.
There are two things to remember:

• Never type in the entire word; use the first few letters only.
• You only need 1 tag (you can have a maximum of 5 added by you and another 4 added by others per thread) to post a thread.

We already have over 1,800 tags. That is down from the +9,000 that existed when members could create tags (including someone tagging their entire DVD collection - tags which were hardly relevant to a cooking forum).

 

[PAcanis]

You are confusing terminology here

The problem is that you are trying to create a new tag

I think it is definitely a terminology problem.
I think rather than saying I am trying to create tags, meaning that I have intention, I think that saying tags are inadvertently created automatically would be more in line with what is happening.

Never type in the entire word; use the first few letters only.

OK. I think I got it.
Next time I start a thread I will use the first few letters of the word that I want in the subject box and the first few lines of body of the post, then see if a tagged word automatically populates in the tags box.
If the word I want to use is there, I'm good to go.
If it's not there, or in a form that does not make sense in my sentence, then I need to find a different word.

Eg: If I type Kor, and nothing shows up in the tag box, change the letters to Asi and see if Asian shows up. Then further along in the message I can use Korean to narrow it down.

I must have been lucky my other threads and used a word that was already tagged. I just never noticed it.

 

[SatNavSaysStraightOn]

e first few letters of the word that I want in the subject box

I'm not sure which box you think is the subject box, (we have title, discussion or tag) but it needs to be done in the area i circled in red, in the tag box.

You can put what you want in the title field. To search for a suitable tag that has not been added automatically by the matching algorithm from the the title box, you have to search in the tag field.

So the system uses the title to find 100% matches to add to the tags for you. Partial words here (aka not 100% matches) will not match anything.
If it can't find a match, or the matches are not ideal, remove the not ideal ones (click the cross on the tag word itself) and type the first few letters into the tag box which works as a search/filter system and select the tag you want, as shown in the previous image.

Plus there are areas of the site, such as the Cafe, the welcome forum and a couple of others that do not get searched by search engines, so they are configured not to use tags at all, which is likely why you've not run into the problem so far.

 

[PAcanis]

I'm not sure which box you think is the subject box,

Subject and title are interchangeable in English. Sort of like box and field when speaking computer.

To search for a suitable tag that has not been added automatically by the matching algorithm from the the title box, you have to search in the tag field.

Well there ya have it. Another source of confusion.

I'll refer back to when I said I did not/do not add tags.
I'll also refer back to when I said I don't know how to search for a tag.
And I'll refer back to where it was said the forum automatically chooses tags for us whether we realize it or not, and that members cannot add their own tags.
Why would I ever type something in the tag box? I have to scroll down in my laptop to even see it.

Now I know. That is how you search for tags.
Something I am simply not used to doing. Or even understand why I would search for a tag if the forum automatically does it for us?

I did get the thread started by omitting a lot of descriptive words in both the title and the first line or so. Something I am not used to doing because I think titles should be descriptive.

And I did see where this time around the forum automatically chose the word condiment from my subject/title line, but not until I started typing within the body of the message. And it did not choose other words like yesterday morning. But I did not use those words. Omitting sandwich, Mayoracha, and I guess whatever the other one was.
This time around it let me post the thread.

I guess if it ever happens again the easiest thing to do would be to simply send screenshots to you and ask what to change in order to post the thread. As I don't think I'm ever going to wrap my head around tags.

Thanks

 

[Barriehie]

Subject and title are interchangeable in English. Sort of like box and field when speaking computer.



Well there ya have it. Another source of confusion.

I'll refer back to when I said I did not/do not add tags.
I'll also refer back to when I said I don't know how to search for a tag.
And I'll refer back to where it was said the forum automatically chooses tags for us whether we realize it or not, and that members cannot add their own tags.
Why would I ever type something in the tag box? I have to scroll down in my laptop to even see it.

Now I know. That is how you search for tags.
Something I am simply not used to doing. Or even understand why I would search for a tag if the forum automatically does it for us?

I did get the thread started by omitting a lot of descriptive words in both the title and the first line or so. Something I am not used to doing because I think titles should be descriptive.

And I did see where this time around the forum automatically chose the word condiment from my subject/title line, but not until I started typing within the body of the message. And it did not choose other words like yesterday morning. But I did not use those words. Omitting sandwich, Mayoracha, and I guess whatever the other one was.
This time around it let me post the thread.

I guess if it ever happens again the easiest thing to do would be to simply send screenshots to you and ask what to change in order to post the thread. As I don't think I'm ever going to wrap my head around tags.

Thanks

The report button. SNSSO has -hundreds- of people on this site everyday...

 

[PAcanis]

The report button. SNSSO has -hundreds- of people on this site everyday...

Not sure what you are getting at

msmofet asked early on how you report something that isn't posted, but I do not think it was addressed.
Which I mentioned. Not all questions were addressed.

If this was addressed, I apologize.

 

[Barriehie]

Not sure what you are getting at

msmofet asked early on how you report something that isn't posted, but I do not think it was addressed.
Which I mentioned. Not all questions were addressed.

If this was addressed, I apologize.

Every post has a report button. If it's not posted you can create the post which will have the button. The operation of the report button means it notifies mods/admins en masse and you're not targeting an individual with the task who may or may not be on vacation, otherwise busy, at school, etc. It distributes the processing load among a group and speeds up a resolution. Make sense?

Example only, I just scrolled up enough for a usable pic.