Foods & Drinks Vegetarians should avoid.

hi admin, thanks for the list its really helpful. thank you
 
SatNavSaysStraightOn said:
I've just found out about something called milk stout. It's a very nice smooth, dark ale/stout but sadly contains lactose which means that it is not vegan or suitable for those with a dairy allergy. I didn't know about it previously because UK law means it can't be called milk stout because it is not actually made directly from milk! It is made from the waste products of the cheese making process, lactose and whey, both of which I am allergic to! Ahhhhh And those first few sips were so very nice as well... :cry: right until the shortness of breath started.

Seems like I will now have to check the labels of all bottle of stout and dark ales for the allergy advice (my failure - it was clearly there. I just, not knowing about milk stout, never suspected I would have to look for dairy products in beer!) It also seems like it is only the UK that this would be a problem in because everywhere else it can be called milk stout and I would never have gone anywhere near it!
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It's still called milk stout (or cream stout) in the UK. If it's not in the name, it's usually in the description. As for Guinness, see http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-goodness-my-guinness-will-be-vegan-wl690cdf06h
 
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I am neither vegetarian nor vegan, but I still look out for the green V on a lot of non-meat products because of my allergies. On meat products I read the labels very carefully for the same reason as only a couple of my allergies are on the list of 14 allergens that manufacturers need to point out
 
The gelatin thing reminds me of something that happened with my Turkish Muslim neighbors from my old house. Their kids were playing with my son in our backyard one day when my wife decided to bring out snacks. After the kids had some juice boxes, my wife gave everyone little bags of gummy fruit snacks - a relatively healthy candy. One of the mothers next door came flying over like a maniac and smacked the bag of candy out of her kid's hand just as he was about to eat it.
Apparently, gummy candies are made with gelatin which is often made from pork bones. Unless it is Halal certified, she asked us not to give her children any more food going forward.
 
SatNavSaysStraightOn said:
I thought I would start a thread listing the ingredients vegetarians should avoid but may not be aware of. These being involved in the manufacture of foods & drinks that you would expect to be OK, but are in fact not, e.g. white sugar & jellies. The aim is not to scare people but to educate them.

The sort of thing I am thinking of here is as follows:

Alcoholic drinks: some are filtered using animal products, particularly beers, wines and ciders.
Breakfast cereals: are now often vitamin D3 or omega-3 enriched.
Cheese: made using rennet, the source of rennet is the problem here.
Gel-cap medications: made with gelatine. (If it is a prescribed medication, consult your Dr for a non-gel cap version).
Jellies (sweet or savoury): often made with gelatine.
Margarines and spreads: most margarines and spreads contain vitamin D3 or are omega-3 enriched.
Omega-3 enriched: source is often fish based.
Orange-coloured soft drinks: some (but not all) contain gelatine as a carrier for the colour beta-carotene, but are not required to state on the packaging that they contain gelatine as it is not considered an ingredient.
Red-coloured soft drinks: sometimes cochineal is used as a colouring
Refined sugar: the manufacturing process can use animal bones.
Sweets and marshmallows: often made with gelatine.
Worcestershire sauce: contains anchovies (fish).
Thai curry paste: often contains fish paste


So why are some of these a problem?

Carmine/cochineal (E120): a red dye made from crushed beetles.
Chitosan: made from crustaceans
Gelatine: made from animal bones and connective tissues.
Isinglass: from the swim bladders of fish
Lanolin: a grease secreted from sheep’s skin and extracted from their wool, in some cases from the wool of slaughtered sheep
L-Cysteine (E920): Is sometimes made from hair or feathers (can be found in bread!)
‘Omega-3 enriched’: (margarine, olive oil, bread, breakfast cereal, orange juice) sometimes/often contain fish rather than plant sources of omega-3.
Rennet: often a mixture of enzymes from mammalian stomachs
Shellac (E904): insect secretions, sometimes used as a glazing agent on sweets and fruit
Vitamin D3, or unspecified “Vitamin D”: Vitamin D3, or unspecified “Vitamin D”: Vitamin D3 used in fortified foods is not suitable for vegetarians, as it is obtained from lanolin (a grease derived from sheep’s wool or skins).

So finally what is it that makes white sugar not vegetarian? Well it is filtered (to make it pure white) using activated charcoal which is often sourced from animal bones. Unfortunately brown refined sugar can also fall into this category as well. It is often the difference between cane sugar (often not vegetarian) and beet sugar.

Please add to the list as you see fit.
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IS REFINED SUGAR VEGAN
 
classic33 said:
IS REFINED SUGAR VEGAN
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Often, it is not. But it depends on if it is white or brown, beet or cane and how it was 'cleaned'.... its one of those vague things and also how someone views things. Strictly, even vegetarians should be avoiding refined white sugar because it is made white over animal's bone (bone char) which is using animal by-products to manufacture the product. But some vegetarians have no issue with this for some reason, rather like wearing leather gloves or leather shoes. Strictly a vegetarian should not be wearing those either.

And if it is not vegetarian, it is certainly not vegan!
 
buckytom said:
The gelatin thing reminds me of something that happened with my Turkish Muslim neighbors from my old house. Their kids were playing with my son in our backyard one day when my wife decided to bring out snacks. After the kids had some juice boxes, my wife gave everyone little bags of gummy fruit snacks - a relatively healthy candy. One of the mothers next door came flying over like a maniac and smacked the bag of candy out of her kid's hand just as he was about to eat it.
Apparently, gummy candies are made with gelatin which is often made from pork bones. Unless it is Halal certified, she asked us not to give her children any more food going forward.
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There's vegetarian versions out there. They use Pectin instead of Gelatin, which makes it unacceptable to vegetarians. Pectin is a gelling agent similar to Gelatin, but is extracted from terrestrial plants and citrus fruits.
 
SatNavSaysStraightOn said:
Often, it is not. But it depends on if it is white or brown, beet or cane and how it was 'cleaned'.... its one of those vague things and also how someone views things. Strictly, even vegetarians should be avoiding refined white sugar because it is made white over animal's bone (bone char) which is using animal by-products to manufacture the product. But some vegetarians have no issue with this for some reason, rather like wearing leather gloves or leather shoes. Strictly a vegetarian should not be wearing those either.

And if it is not vegetarian, it is certainly not vegan!
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Beet sugar. Listed as being suitable for vegetarians. Now carries the marking required.
 
buckytom said:
The gelatin thing reminds me of something that happened with my Turkish Muslim neighbors from my old house. Their kids were playing with my son in our backyard one day when my wife decided to bring out snacks. After the kids had some juice boxes, my wife gave everyone little bags of gummy fruit snacks - a relatively healthy candy. One of the mothers next door came flying over like a maniac and smacked the bag of candy out of her kid's hand just as he was about to eat it.
Apparently, gummy candies are made with gelatin which is often made from pork bones. Unless it is Halal certified, she asked us not to give her children any more food going forward.
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Its so difficult, isn't it? One side of me hates any 'taboos' to diet but the other side of me says I should understand and respect other people's points of view. :ohmy::facepalm:
 
morning glory said:
Its so difficult, isn't it? One side of me hates any 'taboos' to diet but the other side of me says I should understand and respect other people's points of view. :ohmy::facepalm:
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Oh, I know. We were quite aware to not offer the kids pork, but who knew that simple candies could contain pork in some way?

It just struck me as funny when their mom, otherwise an unfriendly and quiet person, would suddenly attain superhero powers in order to assure their religious safekeeping.

At another time, my 6 or 7 year old son was playing with their kids in their house as I worked in the garden. When my wife called us in for dinner, I went over to their backyard to call my son home. As I poked my head in their back door (fully well being polite and not entering uninvited) one of their moms flew down the stairs and swung in like Spiderman in order to physically block the doorway.Grabbing each doorjam so I couldn't enter, not that I was trying, she shouted at me to leave.

So much for proper manners, neighborly attitudes, and respect.
That just doesn't add up, imo. When someone outside of your head tells you what to think or do, stop listening and decide what's right for yourself. I've never had a problem with love thy neighbor, or treat them as you would be treated.

Anyway, back to folks who treat vegetables better, then eat them. :)
 
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