Lactose intolerance and cheese

[JAS_OH1]

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Ooo I'd like that, if I could eat the pastry, cheese or onions without upsetting my guts

Even goat cheese messes with you? I'd heard that some people who are lactose intolerant can handle goat's milk or cheese fairly well.

I'm pretty sure we won't have a full meal on Christmas and will just snack on appetizers all day. Not sure what just yet. I've got a box coming tomorrow for DH with a lot of seafood goodies in it, including the octopus he loves so much. I'll figure it out over the next few days.

 

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Even goat cheese messes with you? I'd heard that some people who are lactose intolerant can handle goat's milk or cheese fairly well.

For a long time, I could consumer goats dairy products (and sheep) but not cows dairy. From my early 20's through to around 34-35yrs old.
My understanding of that is that it is the different proteins (or shape of the same protein?) that I was able to get away with. I was also aware of a small number of types of cows that I could consume without issues as well (Jarlseberg cheese was one, as was Comte and Emmental, though I was less tolerant of those than Jarlseberg.

Curiously, I'm reading online that Jarlseberg is actually lactose free. Intriguing.

The lactose levels are not that different though (4.2% compared to 5% in cows' milk).

Goat milk versus cow milk: A comparison

 

[JAS_OH1]

For a long time, I could consumer goats dairy products (and sheep) but not cows dairy. From my early 20's through to around 34-35yrs old.
My understanding of that is that it is the different proteins (or shape of the same protein?) that I was able to get away with. I was also aware of a small number of types of cows that I could consume without issues as well (Jarlseberg cheese was one, as was Comte and Emmental, though I was less tolerant of those than Jarlseberg.

Curiously, I'm reading online that Jarlseberg is actually lactose free. Intriguing.

The lactose levels are not that different though (4.2% compared to 5% in cows' milk).

Goat milk versus cow milk: A comparison

That was an interesting article, thanks!

 

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For a long time, I could consumer goats dairy products (and sheep) but not cows dairy. From my early 20's through to around 34-35yrs old.
My understanding of that is that it is the different proteins (or shape of the same protein?) that I was able to get away with. I was also aware of a small number of types of cows that I could consume without issues as well (Jarlseberg cheese was one, as was Comte and Emmental, though I was less tolerant of those than Jarlseberg.

Curiously, I'm reading online that Jarlseberg is actually lactose free. Intriguing.

The lactose levels are not that different though (4.2% compared to 5% in cows' milk).

Goat milk versus cow milk: A comparison

Leerdammer is also lactose free and I do sometimes eat that but it still upsets my GI tract.

 

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Even goat cheese messes with you? I'd heard that some people who are lactose intolerant can handle goat's milk or cheese fairly well.

I'm pretty sure we won't have a full meal on Christmas and will just snack on appetizers all day. Not sure what just yet. I've got a box coming tomorrow for DH with a lot of seafood goodies in it, including the octopus he loves so much. I'll figure it out over the next few days.

Goats cheese is definitely better but it’s still not great.
I still eat cheese sometimes but even with Milkaid drops (which are very good) there are still consequences

I have some Gorgonzola coming for Christmas and will be eating that. The lactose levels in cheese varying wildly and it’s quite a surprise which ones are worse.

 

[JAS_OH1]

Goats cheese is definitely better but it’s still not great.
I still eat cheese sometimes but even with Milkaid drops (which are very good) there are still consequences

I have some Gorgonzola coming for Christmas and will be eating that. The lactose levels in cheese varying wildly and it’s quite a surprise which ones are worse.

So when you were young, did you have the same issues or is this something that developed over the years? It's amazing how many people build up allergies or intolerance to various things over time.

 

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So when you were young, did you have the same issues or is this something that developed over the years? It's amazing how many people build up allergies or intolerance to various things over time.

It comes with the Coeliac disease.
Lactase enzyme is produced by the tips of the villi in the intestines and coeliac disease damages those.
I was ok with cheese until I was about 21 years old. Then it got progressively worse until I was diagnosed as a coeliac at about 30 years of age.

When I was a student I lived on cheese, bread and broken biscuits because I could get them from the farm for free.
That’s when I did most of the damage and sensitised myself to cheese for good.

 

[JAS_OH1]

It comes with the Coeliac disease.
Lactase enzyme is produced by the tips of the villi in the intestines and coeliac disease damages those.
I was ok with cheese until I was about 21 years old. Then it got progressively worse until I was diagnosed as a coeliac at about 30 years of age.

When I was a student I lived on cheese, bread and broken biscuits because I could get them from the farm for free.
That’s when I did most of the damage and sensitised myself to cheese for good.

I am so sorry to hear that, and I did not know about the correlation there, interesting but again, I am so sorry. I understand about eating to survive on a budget as many students do, but I was one of the lucky ones (so far)...as far as diet goes anyway. Now as far as my respiratory allergies go (as you know), not so much.

 

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I am so sorry to hear that, and I did not know about the correlation there, interesting but again, I am so sorry. I understand about eating to survive on a budget as many students do, but I was one of the lucky ones (so far)...as far as diet goes anyway. Now as far as my respiratory allergies go (as you know), not so much.

I think your respiratory allergies are in a lot of ways harder.
I can mostly just avoid the things that make me unwell but yours I can imagine are harder waters to navigate.
It’s certainly miserable for my son who suffers with pollen.
Have you always had them?

 

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I think your respiratory allergies are in a lot of ways harder.
I can mostly just avoid the things that make me unwell but yours I can imagine are harder waters to navigate.
It’s certainly miserable for my son who suffers with pollen.
Have you always had them?

Yes, but they have gotten worse with age. My nephew and his wife have 3 dogs and 2 cats. We were over there last night for about 4 hours and I paid for it today. The biggest problem is I love animals and they know it and gravitate towards me...cat dander is the worst.

 

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Yes, but they have gotten worse with age. My nephew and his wife have 3 dogs and 2 cats. We were over there last night for about 4 hours and I paid for it today. The biggest problem is I love animals and they know it and gravitate towards me...cat dander is the worst.

The first time I saw someone have an allergic reaction to my dog 30 years ago I was quite thrown by how severe it was.
I’d known them a long time and they’d stayed at my house many times, sometimes for weeks.

They had said they were allergic to dog hair but had been symptom free. Then she came with me and the dog in the car for a short drive to the shops. Oh dear that was bad. She couldn’t breath and started to swell like with a severe hayfever.

At the time I hadn’t been diagnosed with coeliac disease and didn’t have a son with anaphylactic allergies so didn’t understand what to do and allergies weren’t even a feature on the curriculum.
It was a shock how bad it was.

 

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Yes, but they have gotten worse with age. My nephew and his wife have 3 dogs and 2 cats. We were over there last night for about 4 hours and I paid for it today. The biggest problem is I love animals and they know it and gravitate towards me...cat dander is the worst.

I meant to mention in case you hadn’t come across it that the latest research into microbiomes is promising.

I went to see my sons consultant with him, we were actually there about an anaphylaxis to something unidentified but his hayfever was really bad and whilst looking for info on the Kenalog injection I listened to a podcast on the BBC about hayfever.

It’s a great podcast from an entertaining, light and informative series on the BBC called ‘Sliced Bread’
If you can access the hayfever one it might be worth a listen.

Anyway my son asked him about the microbiomes research and the consultant positively lit up. He said it looks very promising indeed and whilst he couldn’t yet recommend taking high doses of probiotics (because it’s not yet clinically proven) that he didn’t discourage it at all and that he took them himself with noted improvement in his own symptoms.

My son started taking high dose probiotic and knock me over with feather there was a huge improvement. To the extent he could go out and not get a swollen face. He also stopped complaining about the constant congestion and needed his inhaler a lot less.

It could be purely coincidental, but it is also the first summer in well over a decade he’s been able to go outside in the without really suffering

 

[JAS_OH1]

I meant to mention in case you hadn’t come across it that the latest research into microbiomes is promising.

I went to see my sons consultant with him, we were actually there about an anaphylaxis to something unidentified but his hayfever was really bad and whilst looking for info on the Kenalog injection I listened to a podcast on the BBC about hayfever.

It’s a great podcast from an entertaining, light and informative series on the BBC called ‘Sliced Bread’
If you can access the hayfever one it might be worth a listen.

Anyway my son asked him about the microbiomes research and the consultant positively lit up. He said it looks very promising indeed and whilst he couldn’t yet recommend taking high doses of probiotics (because it’s not yet clinically proven) that he didn’t discourage it at all and that he took them himself with noted improvement in his own symptoms.

My son started taking high dose probiotic and knock me over with feather there was a huge improvement. To the extent he could go out and not get a swollen face. He also stopped complaining about the constant congestion and needed his inhaler a lot less.

It could be purely coincidental, but it is also the first summer in well over a decade he’s been able to go outside in the summer without really suffering

Coincidentally I was just locking into that very thing last week. There's a product called Bioma I want to try.

 

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Coincidentally I was just locking into that very thing last week. There's a product called Bioma I want to try.

Does it tell you how many billion CFU’s are in it? That seems to be a dodgy area in probiotic vitamin supplements

 

[JAS_OH1]

Does it tell you how many billion CFU’s are in it? That seems to be a dodgy area in probiotic vitamin supplements

50 billion CFUs per serving with 16 clinically proven strains. The one I was looking at previously had more CFUs and was obviously a lot more expensive. I saw this one (the less expensive one) on Amazon and thought I would give it a whirl since it got good reviews.