The problem we had was that, when my Mum and Dad were growing up, many of the first names people were known by were not necessarily the names that were on their birth certificates, and having reasonably common surnames did not help. My Dad was always known as Jack, although his name was William and although he was not the oldest son he was called after my grandfather. He had two brothers who had William as their second name, and one of those was always called Bill. My Aunty Ethel was really Gladys. My Mum was called Nan, or Nancy, although her name was Violet. One of her brothers was called Toby, but his name was really Albert. Just to confuse everybody even more, my grandmother (Mum's mum) was Esther. Her eldest son Toby's wife was also Esther (and was called Esther), but her eldest daughter's (Mum's older sister's) name was also Esther, and she was called May. And so on..... I said in another post that my grandmother (and my Dad) lived in Barking. There are/were a lot of Winches in Barking, but not one of them is/was related to us. I have two cousins called Leslie, one of whom is also a Winch, and I know of a Leslie Winch who came from Barking and was not related - we caused havoc down the Job Centre when we were both out of work at the same time, and had the same sign on days and times!